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Tractorsport Flowbench Forum Archive • View topic - Pipemax 101 - Pipemax Program discussion

Pipemax 101 - Pipemax Program discussion

Place to post/discuss programs & spreadsheets useful for flowbenching. FPExcel, Pipemax etc . . .

Postby larrycavan » Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:22 pm

PipeMax calculated less required CFM for the same engine. Difficult to get two simulations to line up across the board on values.

The application with the screen shot can be switched to SAE HP at the crankshaft. Doing that lines up the PM predicted HP very nicely using 114%VE value for that engine.

With only chassis dyno information to actually work with. It's a juggling operation to try to get things to line up numerically.

From PM

-Recommended Camshaft Valve Lift-
Minimum Normal Maximum
Intake = 0.371 0.399 0.439
Exhaust = 0.338 0.365 0.401
Max-effort Intake Lift = 0.460
Max-effort Exhaust Lift = 0.420
Minimum Intake Valve Lift to prevent Choke = .399 Lift @ 8000 RPM
Minimum Exhaust Valve Lift to prevent Choke = .365 Lift @ 8000 RPM

PipeMax did a great job of predicting the choke RPM. Actual cam lift was .390" gross.

Minimum Intake Valve Lift to prevent Choke = .399 Lift @ 8000 RPM
Minimum Exhaust Valve Lift to prevent Choke = .365 Lift @ 8000 RPM

Current (Intake Valve Curtain Area -VS- Time) Choke RPM = 7815 RPM
Current (Exhaust Valve Curtain Area -VS- Time) Choke RPM = 8559 RPM

Intake Valve Area + Curtain Area operating RPM Range = 5661 to 7661 RPM

Intake Valve Diameter RPM Range = 5815 to 7815

Intake Flow CFM @28in RPM Range = 6169 to 8169

Actual Port CSA vs PM calculated CSA was not that far off either. [average CSA that is]
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Postby 200cfm » Sun Sep 06, 2009 12:49 pm

I raced both Friday and Saturday this weekend. Still running the oversize 750 carb :D and set a new low et Friday nite. Went 12.024@ 114.73 with the dragster tires and a jetting of 72/81. Changed the tires to a 28.5 X 10.5 tread X 15 rim and went, well here is the ticket. :) :) :)

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Big difference in the rpm at the line. It was hitting the 6400 limiter slightly before the finish. Didn't want to loose a rod so opted to not overstress the OEM motor.

Saturday I ran with the Big Tires. Had to return the smaller test tires. Dialed 7.760 and won the first round of Top Et with a 7.765. It got cooler so dropped the dial to 7.750 and it broke out on a 7.7383. :( May stay with this set up longer now. Have just enough power to make the 7.99 - 0 class range.

Also, might mention that on the second test run it slowed two tenths and I sensed a ignition miss in the pull. So checked the point dwell (cheap meter here) and it was showing 36 degree dwell which meant points were to close. So I reset it to 30 degrees and that cured the problem for the first round win run. I viewed the video for the run and the A/F was leaner on the miss fire run. Up around the 13-14 range for most of the pull. Went down after the dwell point reset according to the round one win video. Point being: the ignition miss fire showed up on the A/F gauge as a lean condition.

Here is Friday's 11.82 run. Do you think it might be getting lean on the top end? Enjoy!

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Postby larrycavan » Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:49 pm

Might be worth checking your vacuum advance hose. Could be leaking. Might have gotten dis and re connected when you messed with the points.......just a thought.

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Postby johno » Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:42 pm

Sorry for the delay Larry, the cam correction factors we use for predicting carburettor size come straight from one of David Vizards gospels (How to build HP vol2)!! You just cant better this guys results or knowledge!!!! :;):
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